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- Unknown Wristlet with enamel [message #15730] Wed, 03 November 2021 22:02 Go to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Model name: unknown
Type: wristlet
Period/date: 1915-1925?
Gender: Ladies

Case Maker: Wadsworth
Case Material: Gruen Ultra Quality white gold filled (W inside case) with black enamel
Case Serial: 746300
Case Style no: none

Caliber: gruen guild 819? 15 jewels 4 adjts —> case mentions 819 1/2
Movement Maker : Aegler (Gruen Guild)
Movement Serial: none

Bracelet: ribbon strap with 18K clasp

Other: it looks like the fifteen and four texts were later added on the movement. Hands probably replaced.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #15739 is a reply to message #15730] Thu, 04 November 2021 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Case is currently offline  Case
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That’s an interesting inlay pattern, new to me. I like!

Definitely an 819, seldom seen also. I’d guess 1923 for the year.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #15748 is a reply to message #15739] Thu, 04 November 2021 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
afire is currently offline  afire
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Do we know what the "W" is for? I know you see "G" and "W" for green and white on solid gold cases around this time, but I don't recall noticing the same for gold filled cases, though it's something I could easily have overlooked.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #15749 is a reply to message #15748] Thu, 04 November 2021 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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It's appears also to have been used for gold filled cases. W = white...

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #15753 is a reply to message #15749] Thu, 04 November 2021 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Following the info on car 37, the wadsworth case is from before the end of 1923.

And I noticed that liz has an 819 cushion with the same hands. So maybe they are original!
https://vintagegruen.org/vgforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=18 83&&srch=819#msg_1883

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #15769 is a reply to message #15753] Mon, 08 November 2021 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Case is currently offline  Case
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I’ve owned the sister—an 819 1/2 “G” with green gold case & dial. Also seen an 819 in a “9 3/4 G” gf case from this time: green gold case and dial. 3 different styles of hands seen. Circa 1925, the G/W disappears, and they are all white gf (“819”)

Interestingly, the 819s (sub seconds) seems to coexist but be only in cases marked “127”.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #17356 is a reply to message #15753] Tue, 27 September 2022 05:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ephemerald
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I received a Cartouche recently with these hands, I believe they are original, based off these examples on forum and this ad I found.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #17357 is a reply to message #17356] Tue, 27 September 2022 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
afire is currently offline  afire
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Interesting. I've encountered those hands and assumed them to be replacements. They have an Elginesque look about them. I replaced them on one watch with a more conventional spade and plume set, but now I'm thinking maybe they were original. That said, I'd have probably replaced them anyway. They're very hard to read. The minute hand is barely any longer than the hour hand and they look pretty much the same.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #17358 is a reply to message #17357] Tue, 27 September 2022 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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How was this style called?

Great they could be original. Wont change them anyway although I am not fond off them.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #17874 is a reply to message #17358] Sun, 18 December 2022 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timeliz
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Jenneke,
Take a look at pg. 219 in Ehrhardts master model ID. Your case style is listed as "WR 60", although with a different dial. But the dial on the case right above yours has your matching dial.

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- Re: Unknown wristlet with enamel [message #17879 is a reply to message #17874] Sun, 18 December 2022 20:16 Go to previous message
timeliz
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To each, his own.

"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones..." -John Denver

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