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Gruen SUPER-G [message #12405]

Fri, 01 May 2020 13:18

Thojil
Messages: 650
Registered: May 2013
Location: Concorès, France

Gruen Master

Model name :Super-G
Type : 24h Jump movement
Period/date :1957-1958
Gender : Gents

Case Maker : Unknown, but most likely Swiss made
Case Material : Steel
Case Serial : 191864
Case Style no : 1108

Caliber : 422RSS
Movement Maker : Gruen
Movement Serial : NA

Bracelet : After market IW SUISSE

Other info :
The dial is most likely a re-dial. Although there are various dial variations of the SUPER-G, the two most common dials are one featuring a centrally positioned gold bordered diamond shape and a version with four 90 degree circular gold lines (both with gold surrounds of the 12, 3, 6 and 9 windows). These are found with and without SUPER-G printed above the 6 position.

Having said that, there is an argument the dial could be factory original. The "factory quality" of the print and dial finish and the fact this is a sunburst dial as opposed to the dials described above, make me belief it could also be factory original. If so, I have yet to find another example to confirm this is true. So until then I will have to assume this is a re-dial.

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Re: Gruen SUPER-G [message #12408 is a reply to message #12405]

Fri, 01 May 2020 16:39

Barney Green
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Registered: February 2014
Location: Wolfsburg, Germany

Gruen Authority

Again congratulations, nice find! I have not been aware that the first genearation Super-G's has been 422 based still. I always thought that the Airflights and Super-G's were all caliber 510 based watches.

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Re: Gruen SUPER-G [message #12412 is a reply to message #12408]

Fri, 01 May 2020 23:07

JackW
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Denver

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Very nice acquisition. I think the 422ss movement makes this one more desirable since there is no question that it was an in-house make. Was the 510 also? I honestly don't know.

All I know is based on hard work & writing by others. I can only aspire to augment this body of knowledge. If I am wrong it is because of my own failings. -me

"If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Newton

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Re: Gruen SUPER-G [message #12416 is a reply to message #12412]

Sat, 02 May 2020 06:25

Barney Green
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Registered: February 2014
Location: Wolfsburg, Germany

Gruen Authority

Yes, 510 was also in house but introduced under the new owenship in late 1959.

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Re: Gruen SUPER-G [message #12417 is a reply to message #12416]

Sat, 02 May 2020 14:14

Thojil
Messages: 650
Registered: May 2013
Location: Concorès, France

Gruen Master

Though some feel that the Gruen company kind of seized to exist when the Gruen family sold the company in 1953, I feel that actually did not happen until 1960 when Henri Thiébaud resigned as MD of the Biel plant.

He was the real motor behind most of Gruen’s successful concepts between 1930 and 1960. For that reason to me caliber 510 is still a true Gruen movement developed under Henri Thiébaud leadership.

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Re: Gruen SUPER-G [message #12418 is a reply to message #12417]

Sat, 02 May 2020 14:28

Barney Green
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Registered: February 2014
Location: Wolfsburg, Germany

Gruen Authority

Totally agree...

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Re: Gruen SUPER-G [message #12419 is a reply to message #12418]

Sat, 02 May 2020 15:08

thesnark17
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Registered: January 2017

Gruen Master

That's a phenomenal watch! And while I think that's an original dial (based on how clean the printing is), if I had a redial that was that good, I don't think I would care! The Gruen Genéve text is perfect and the starburst is so classy...

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Re: Gruen SUPER-G [message #12422 is a reply to message #12419]

Sat, 02 May 2020 15:40

Thojil
Messages: 650
Registered: May 2013
Location: Concorès, France

Gruen Master

thesnark17 wrote on Sat, 02 May 2020 17:08

That's a phenomenal watch! And while I think that's an original dial (based on how clean the printing is), if I had a redial that was that good, I don't think I would care! The Gruen Genéve text is perfect and the starburst is so classy...

Thanks, you are so right!

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